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		By: Eve Lazarus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eve Lazarus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2025 00:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evelazarus.com/cold-case-canada-podcast/alley-murders/#comment-64493&quot;&gt;kim&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, he was cleared]]></description>
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<p>Yes, he was cleared</p>
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		By: kim		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2025 03:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From the Vancouver Province, August 2, 1996, Did the RCMP ever check the DNA from Frances Carl Roy?

Police say Lisa Gavin, 21, Glenna Sowan and Tracey Chartrand, both 25, worked in Mount Pleasant before their murders in 1988.

RCMP plan to check DNA evidence retrieved from the victims&#039; bodies against a sample from suspect Francis Carl Roy, 38, who moved to Vancouver in July 1988 and stayed until May 1991.

https://walnet.org/csis/news/vancouver_96/province-960802.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Vancouver Province, August 2, 1996, Did the RCMP ever check the DNA from Frances Carl Roy?</p>
<p>Police say Lisa Gavin, 21, Glenna Sowan and Tracey Chartrand, both 25, worked in Mount Pleasant before their murders in 1988.</p>
<p>RCMP plan to check DNA evidence retrieved from the victims&#8217; bodies against a sample from suspect Francis Carl Roy, 38, who moved to Vancouver in July 1988 and stayed until May 1991.</p>
<p><a href="https://walnet.org/csis/news/vancouver_96/province-960802.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://walnet.org/csis/news/vancouver_96/province-960802.html</a></p>
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		By: Corrinna Steen		</title>
		<link>https://evelazarus.com/cold-case-canada-podcast/alley-murders/#comment-62352</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Corrinna Steen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2024 05:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evelazarus.com/cold-case-canada-podcast/alley-murders/#comment-58733&quot;&gt;Eve Lazarus&lt;/a&gt;.

I wonder if this serial killer drove a older two door car. Like a chavel? Or monte carlo style car? If he was in his late 30&#039;s to 40&#039;s? Quite burley. With face hair.]]></description>
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<p>I wonder if this serial killer drove a older two door car. Like a chavel? Or monte carlo style car? If he was in his late 30&#8217;s to 40&#8217;s? Quite burley. With face hair.</p>
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		By: Tracy McIntosh		</title>
		<link>https://evelazarus.com/cold-case-canada-podcast/alley-murders/#comment-61485</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tracy McIntosh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2024 20:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evelazarus.com/cold-case-canada-podcast/alley-murders/#comment-58740&quot;&gt;Aaron Chapman&lt;/a&gt;.

Ruth Gavin and her heroin date back to the late 1940&#039;s. I&#039;ve done a fair bit of research on the woman and many of her heroin &quot;associates&quot; (one of whom is my maternal grandfather). Thankfully Lisa had a loving foster family pre-teens. The police should release the name of Lisa&#039;s killer so the family has closure - murderers should not be protected with privacy laws/concerns.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evelazarus.com/cold-case-canada-podcast/alley-murders/#comment-58740">Aaron Chapman</a>.</p>
<p>Ruth Gavin and her heroin date back to the late 1940&#8217;s. I&#8217;ve done a fair bit of research on the woman and many of her heroin &#8220;associates&#8221; (one of whom is my maternal grandfather). Thankfully Lisa had a loving foster family pre-teens. The police should release the name of Lisa&#8217;s killer so the family has closure &#8211; murderers should not be protected with privacy laws/concerns.</p>
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		By: Meredith Tinney		</title>
		<link>https://evelazarus.com/cold-case-canada-podcast/alley-murders/#comment-60807</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meredith Tinney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2024 00:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I listened to this podcast today. My aunt was Frances “Annie” Grant. My mom, her older sister, never knew any of this. The police in 1989 always told her family she likely died of overdose, as the pathologists report did not determine a cause of death. They were never contacted with any of the results of the 2007 investigation, I don’t even think they knew it was being investigated. They had no idea she was a part of The Alley Murders. I had to call my mom and tell her not only were their suspicions true, that her sister was murdered, but also the police have known who did for over 15 years. Very tragic on all accounts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to this podcast today. My aunt was Frances “Annie” Grant. My mom, her older sister, never knew any of this. The police in 1989 always told her family she likely died of overdose, as the pathologists report did not determine a cause of death. They were never contacted with any of the results of the 2007 investigation, I don’t even think they knew it was being investigated. They had no idea she was a part of The Alley Murders. I had to call my mom and tell her not only were their suspicions true, that her sister was murdered, but also the police have known who did for over 15 years. Very tragic on all accounts.</p>
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		By: Sweethearts podcast: Examining the possibility of a serial killer on the Island &#8211; Vancouver News		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sweethearts podcast: Examining the possibility of a serial killer on the Island &#8211; Vancouver News]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2024 19:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] writer and podcaster Eve Lazarus broke the news in 2023 that Vancouver’s ‘Alley Killer’ was responsible for six murders of women working in the sex trade between 1988 and [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] writer and podcaster Eve Lazarus broke the news in 2023 that Vancouver’s ‘Alley Killer’ was responsible for six murders of women working in the sex trade between 1988 and [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Janet		</title>
		<link>https://evelazarus.com/cold-case-canada-podcast/alley-murders/#comment-60276</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Janet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Apr 2024 11:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evelazarus.com/cold-case-canada-podcast/alley-murders/#comment-59117&quot;&gt;Eve Lazarus&lt;/a&gt;.

I also went to school with Anita Threlall for many years in North Vancouver.  Her family lived just up the street from us.  I was shocked and saddened to hear that she had been murdered and why.  I thought of her while listening to your podcast and wondered if there might be a connection or if they had caught her killer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evelazarus.com/cold-case-canada-podcast/alley-murders/#comment-59117">Eve Lazarus</a>.</p>
<p>I also went to school with Anita Threlall for many years in North Vancouver.  Her family lived just up the street from us.  I was shocked and saddened to hear that she had been murdered and why.  I thought of her while listening to your podcast and wondered if there might be a connection or if they had caught her killer.</p>
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		By: nottellinya		</title>
		<link>https://evelazarus.com/cold-case-canada-podcast/alley-murders/#comment-59125</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nottellinya]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2023 10:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Calling prostitution &quot;sex work&quot; is a word game that only makes young girls think they can have a respectable job sizing people up for what they can get. They&#039;re asking random men to provide for them, and use them, not in any kind of a relationship whatsoever. It&#039;s destructive to them and the communities they do it to. They leave grieving family behind, often children, because changing words doesn&#039;t change reality.

You should ask yourself who the master is that&#039;s ordering word changes and getting such ubiquitous compliance among the social science faculty and the media. There is a source.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calling prostitution &#8220;sex work&#8221; is a word game that only makes young girls think they can have a respectable job sizing people up for what they can get. They&#8217;re asking random men to provide for them, and use them, not in any kind of a relationship whatsoever. It&#8217;s destructive to them and the communities they do it to. They leave grieving family behind, often children, because changing words doesn&#8217;t change reality.</p>
<p>You should ask yourself who the master is that&#8217;s ordering word changes and getting such ubiquitous compliance among the social science faculty and the media. There is a source.</p>
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		By: Dezzie		</title>
		<link>https://evelazarus.com/cold-case-canada-podcast/alley-murders/#comment-59116</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dezzie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2023 21:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There was another &quot;alley murder&quot; around the 1980&#039;s that was mentioned on your website - Anita Threlfall.  I went to school with her...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was another &#8220;alley murder&#8221; around the 1980&#8217;s that was mentioned on your website &#8211; Anita Threlfall.  I went to school with her&#8230;</p>
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		By: Linda Pelech		</title>
		<link>https://evelazarus.com/cold-case-canada-podcast/alley-murders/#comment-58976</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Linda Pelech]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2023 01:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evelazarus.com/cold-case-canada-podcast/alley-murders/#comment-58728&quot;&gt;Claire Heffernan&lt;/a&gt;.

Do you still have the poem? I would love to hear it. Rose was my auntie .]]></description>
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<p>Do you still have the poem? I would love to hear it. Rose was my auntie .</p>
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		By: Finally, a Vancouver Serial Killer Is Unmasked - Maulayanews		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Finally, a Vancouver Serial Killer Is Unmasked - Maulayanews]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2023 10:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Pickton was not the only serial killer to prey on sex workers in the city. In a recent episode of her Cold Case Canada podcast, historian and journalist Eve Lazarus reveals how VPD detectives [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Pickton was not the only serial killer to prey on sex workers in the city. In a recent episode of her Cold Case Canada podcast, historian and journalist Eve Lazarus reveals how VPD detectives [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: dan		</title>
		<link>https://evelazarus.com/cold-case-canada-podcast/alley-murders/#comment-58752</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2023 19:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evelazarus.com/cold-case-canada-podcast/alley-murders/#comment-58728&quot;&gt;Claire Heffernan&lt;/a&gt;.

hello my name is Dan Foster and was wondering if you would like to share your poem (if not I totally understand) . Rose Peters was my aunt but I was very young when I saw her. I only recently heard about this case from another cousin who has been checking in on it.]]></description>
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<p>hello my name is Dan Foster and was wondering if you would like to share your poem (if not I totally understand) . Rose Peters was my aunt but I was very young when I saw her. I only recently heard about this case from another cousin who has been checking in on it.</p>
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		By: Nickie		</title>
		<link>https://evelazarus.com/cold-case-canada-podcast/alley-murders/#comment-58746</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nickie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2023 15:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evelazarus.com/cold-case-canada-podcast/alley-murders/#comment-58740&quot;&gt;Aaron Chapman&lt;/a&gt;.

My father went to school with Ruth and John Gavin he was a taxi driver. Jerry was my Dad&#039;s bud back during the Palmer Day&#039;s, as he grewup with them and worked as a Trucker at their company Charger Transport.  Ruth,and Jerry were hopeless but it&#039;s so sad Lisa Marie didn&#039;t escape this. John came over the night my son was born and asked my husband to give him a rude DT after 12 am,I went to bed,he called from jail 1st time ever at 33 at 6am to ok him up from jail,I didn&#039;t.  He and John went to Modern Medals next door to the American Hotel,filled it,got caught on Main &#038; Hastings,his Ford car was sparking fire. This was Sept 21/81,crazy nut he ended up DTES,from a wealthy Vancouver Family.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evelazarus.com/cold-case-canada-podcast/alley-murders/#comment-58740">Aaron Chapman</a>.</p>
<p>My father went to school with Ruth and John Gavin he was a taxi driver. Jerry was my Dad&#8217;s bud back during the Palmer Day&#8217;s, as he grewup with them and worked as a Trucker at their company Charger Transport.  Ruth,and Jerry were hopeless but it&#8217;s so sad Lisa Marie didn&#8217;t escape this. John came over the night my son was born and asked my husband to give him a rude DT after 12 am,I went to bed,he called from jail 1st time ever at 33 at 6am to ok him up from jail,I didn&#8217;t.  He and John went to Modern Medals next door to the American Hotel,filled it,got caught on Main &amp; Hastings,his Ford car was sparking fire. This was Sept 21/81,crazy nut he ended up DTES,from a wealthy Vancouver Family.</p>
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		By: Aaron Chapman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron Chapman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2023 05:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lisa Marie Gavins story was a very sad one on a few fronts. Her mother Ruth was one of the most notorious Heroin dealers in East Vancouver in the 1970s, and her brother as you note in the podcast was a Clark Park Gang member, who himself died of a drug overdose--I believe in the early 1990s. Folks can read a bit about all of that in The Last Gang in Town (if you don&#039;t mind me mentioning that book)

Like Ball, I do find it strange that Lisa&#039;s case was spotlighted as such if the VPD do believe they know who the killer was, and what further would be gleaned. Did &quot;Dan&quot; confess the crimes to anyone else who would have been aware to tell that story today? Is there some doubt in Dan being the suspect that the case makes it all the more worthy to spotlight this way? 

I would agree with Ball it&#039;s time for the VPD to open the details and make some more public pronouncement, but I don&#039;t think we&#039;ll see that happen. Privacy guidelines can be frustratingly strict whether the case happened yesterday or 30 or 40+ years ago--and I think we would do well to have a public review of such things after a period, that the wider facts and details can be revealed to the public.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa Marie Gavins story was a very sad one on a few fronts. Her mother Ruth was one of the most notorious Heroin dealers in East Vancouver in the 1970s, and her brother as you note in the podcast was a Clark Park Gang member, who himself died of a drug overdose&#8211;I believe in the early 1990s. Folks can read a bit about all of that in The Last Gang in Town (if you don&#8217;t mind me mentioning that book)</p>
<p>Like Ball, I do find it strange that Lisa&#8217;s case was spotlighted as such if the VPD do believe they know who the killer was, and what further would be gleaned. Did &#8220;Dan&#8221; confess the crimes to anyone else who would have been aware to tell that story today? Is there some doubt in Dan being the suspect that the case makes it all the more worthy to spotlight this way? </p>
<p>I would agree with Ball it&#8217;s time for the VPD to open the details and make some more public pronouncement, but I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ll see that happen. Privacy guidelines can be frustratingly strict whether the case happened yesterday or 30 or 40+ years ago&#8211;and I think we would do well to have a public review of such things after a period, that the wider facts and details can be revealed to the public.</p>
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		By: Tracy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tracy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2023 01:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So sad, no closure for the families.]]></description>
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		By: Claude		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Claude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2023 00:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Eve, for yet another interesting local true crime article (which I had never heard about before). I always enjoy reading your blog, and I own a copy of your book &quot;Sensational Vancouver&quot;----which I would recommend to anyone interested in local history and heritage buildings.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Eve, for yet another interesting local true crime article (which I had never heard about before). I always enjoy reading your blog, and I own a copy of your book &#8220;Sensational Vancouver&#8221;&#8212;-which I would recommend to anyone interested in local history and heritage buildings.</p>
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		By: Claire Heffernan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Claire Heffernan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2023 17:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember the murder of Rose Peters. I wrote a poem about it in my creative writing class at college. Of course now we know there were more serial killers operating on the downtown east side such as Robert Pickton who murdered 26 women although he claimed to have murdered 49.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember the murder of Rose Peters. I wrote a poem about it in my creative writing class at college. Of course now we know there were more serial killers operating on the downtown east side such as Robert Pickton who murdered 26 women although he claimed to have murdered 49.</p>
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		By: Brett+Wilkie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2023 17:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That is a sad story but very interesting. I am familiar with the name, Tracey Leigh Chartrand though. I used to reside in Dunbar and every morning I would ride my bicycle around UBC, on one of those mornings in April 1989 I was stopped as I rode on Imperial Drive while the Forensic team was investigating Tracey&#039;s remains in the woods near the side of the road, the area was all taped off. Tracey&#039;s name was obviously not known at the time but sometime later it came out in the news. I can&#039;t put photos on this post but I still have a photocopy of the article from the &quot;Vancouver Western News&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a sad story but very interesting. I am familiar with the name, Tracey Leigh Chartrand though. I used to reside in Dunbar and every morning I would ride my bicycle around UBC, on one of those mornings in April 1989 I was stopped as I rode on Imperial Drive while the Forensic team was investigating Tracey&#8217;s remains in the woods near the side of the road, the area was all taped off. Tracey&#8217;s name was obviously not known at the time but sometime later it came out in the news. I can&#8217;t put photos on this post but I still have a photocopy of the article from the &#8220;Vancouver Western News&#8221;.</p>
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