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		By: Kerry @ Eaglerock		</title>
		<link>https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-10108</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kerry @ Eaglerock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2021 13:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That was a terrible and tragic day, i love that you share these photos.]]></description>
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		By: Byron coatta		</title>
		<link>https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-5868</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2020 18:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The song steel men by jimmy dean was produced shortly after the collasps rest in piece my cousin kevin duggen]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The song steel men by jimmy dean was produced shortly after the collasps rest in piece my cousin kevin duggen</p>
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		By: kathryn baker		</title>
		<link>https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-5480</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-3628&quot;&gt;Robert Hall&lt;/a&gt;.

The young Australian engineer was a friend of my fathers and he was terribly missed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-3628">Robert Hall</a>.</p>
<p>The young Australian engineer was a friend of my fathers and he was terribly missed.</p>
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		By: Charles Sayle		</title>
		<link>https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-4882</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Sayle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2019 20:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was working at Swan Wooster when the Bridge Collapsed, our Project Engineer in charge of the Bridge Design and Supervision, BillC told us that Dominion Bridge had refused to let him review their calculations for temporarily installed supports (also called False Work) and after the Collapse he found the Calculation error.
In your included diagram, you show “False Bent N4 composed of Piles, Bottom Grillage, Top Grillage, and Bent Post.  This is where the Calculation Fault Occurred.  There would have been a pair of False Bents, one under the West Chord and the other under the East Chord.  In the ‘50s Engineers used Slide Rules which didn’t give a Decimal Point so the Engineer had to do separate decimal calculations.

BillC told us that the Dominion Bridge’s Assistant Engineer had calculated 9Kips for Lateral Displacement when it should have been 90Kips (a Kip is 1000 pounds).  The error would have been in the “Grillage” in your diagram.

Both Dominion Bridge’s Engineer and Assistant Engineer were killed in the Collapse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was working at Swan Wooster when the Bridge Collapsed, our Project Engineer in charge of the Bridge Design and Supervision, BillC told us that Dominion Bridge had refused to let him review their calculations for temporarily installed supports (also called False Work) and after the Collapse he found the Calculation error.<br />
In your included diagram, you show “False Bent N4 composed of Piles, Bottom Grillage, Top Grillage, and Bent Post.  This is where the Calculation Fault Occurred.  There would have been a pair of False Bents, one under the West Chord and the other under the East Chord.  In the ‘50s Engineers used Slide Rules which didn’t give a Decimal Point so the Engineer had to do separate decimal calculations.</p>
<p>BillC told us that the Dominion Bridge’s Assistant Engineer had calculated 9Kips for Lateral Displacement when it should have been 90Kips (a Kip is 1000 pounds).  The error would have been in the “Grillage” in your diagram.</p>
<p>Both Dominion Bridge’s Engineer and Assistant Engineer were killed in the Collapse.</p>
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		By: Gregory Melle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2019 15:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting photos. 
I had always thought the collapse was somewhere mid-channel; but now I see that they hadn&#039;t even reached the main crossing. 
I was age six. I still remember my father coming home that day home in shock. He worked in Engineering Dept on 18th floor of BC Electric Building. He had binoculars in his office. He did not see the actual collapse but he did see the immediate aftermath. 
He had worked besides the job site inspecting power line placements just a week or two before.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting photos.<br />
I had always thought the collapse was somewhere mid-channel; but now I see that they hadn&#8217;t even reached the main crossing.<br />
I was age six. I still remember my father coming home that day home in shock. He worked in Engineering Dept on 18th floor of BC Electric Building. He had binoculars in his office. He did not see the actual collapse but he did see the immediate aftermath.<br />
He had worked besides the job site inspecting power line placements just a week or two before.</p>
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		By: D. Andreson		</title>
		<link>https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-4836</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. Andreson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2019 19:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-3628&quot;&gt;Robert Hall&lt;/a&gt;.

An interesting footnote to this is that the young Swan, an engineering student at the time, and working a summer job checking rivets at the time, lost his footing on a girder that had been smeared with grease.......................  possibly as a prank by iron workers not pleased by the students diligence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-3628">Robert Hall</a>.</p>
<p>An interesting footnote to this is that the young Swan, an engineering student at the time, and working a summer job checking rivets at the time, lost his footing on a girder that had been smeared with grease&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..  possibly as a prank by iron workers not pleased by the students diligence.</p>
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		By: Gerald J. (Gerry) Parrott		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald J. (Gerry) Parrott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2017 23:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was 12 years old at the time and had just walked home from school (Hollyburn) in West Van. We were outside and we thought the 9:00 gun had gone off by accident. My grand mother would never travel over the bridge. She said &quot; It has fallen down once, it could fall down again&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was 12 years old at the time and had just walked home from school (Hollyburn) in West Van. We were outside and we thought the 9:00 gun had gone off by accident. My grand mother would never travel over the bridge. She said &#8221; It has fallen down once, it could fall down again&#8221;</p>
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		By: Erin		</title>
		<link>https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-3630</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2017 07:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-3628&quot;&gt;Robert Hall&lt;/a&gt;.

Very interesting connections]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-3628">Robert Hall</a>.</p>
<p>Very interesting connections</p>
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		By: Erin		</title>
		<link>https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-3629</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2017 07:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-3533&quot;&gt;Cheryl Evans nee Moore&lt;/a&gt;.

Wow, how incredible. So very sorry for your loss.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-3533">Cheryl Evans nee Moore</a>.</p>
<p>Wow, how incredible. So very sorry for your loss.</p>
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		By: Robert Hall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2017 21:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just read all the comments and yes it was a sad day for so many poor souls with me included . My Company had the contract for the concrete work and I was on East Hastings Street heading for the bridge which was about 5 mins away. It was a deafening sound but it only lasted a few seconds as the whole thing went down. To access the north side it was necessary to cross the old bridge   alongside which was known as &quot;the bridge of sighs&quot; as it was so often open for river traffic causing long delays to both road and rail traffic. I knew some of the men who perished , most of whom worked for Dominion Bridge  and there were two who were painters and worked for Boshard. I also knew the Resident Engineer and his young Australian Engineer who both went down with the bridge and perished. These were without exception fine and dedicated people and the loss of these men was and still is a tragedy . Also it was devastating for Colonel Swan of Swan Wooster and Associates  who designed the bridge and who was wrongly initially blamed for the collapse. Colonel Swan also  lost his son on the Patullo Bridge which  he also designed]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just read all the comments and yes it was a sad day for so many poor souls with me included . My Company had the contract for the concrete work and I was on East Hastings Street heading for the bridge which was about 5 mins away. It was a deafening sound but it only lasted a few seconds as the whole thing went down. To access the north side it was necessary to cross the old bridge   alongside which was known as &#8220;the bridge of sighs&#8221; as it was so often open for river traffic causing long delays to both road and rail traffic. I knew some of the men who perished , most of whom worked for Dominion Bridge  and there were two who were painters and worked for Boshard. I also knew the Resident Engineer and his young Australian Engineer who both went down with the bridge and perished. These were without exception fine and dedicated people and the loss of these men was and still is a tragedy . Also it was devastating for Colonel Swan of Swan Wooster and Associates  who designed the bridge and who was wrongly initially blamed for the collapse. Colonel Swan also  lost his son on the Patullo Bridge which  he also designed</p>
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		By: Cheryl Evans nee Moore		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cheryl Evans nee Moore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2017 16:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello, my father was the Bill Moore you mentioned. I am so astonished to read this. You describe exactly what my dad told me over the years. He rarely spoke of the day the bridge came down, it had a profound effect on him for the rest of his life.  He passed away on June 17,1994. He had suffered a stroke days earlier and was unable to verbally communicate but he kept tapping his wrist watch. My sister Sandy, figured out that Dad was asking for the date. That was June 16, he gave us the biggest smile and in the early hours of June  17 he squeezed our hands for the last time and passed away.  Thank you for writing this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, my father was the Bill Moore you mentioned. I am so astonished to read this. You describe exactly what my dad told me over the years. He rarely spoke of the day the bridge came down, it had a profound effect on him for the rest of his life.  He passed away on June 17,1994. He had suffered a stroke days earlier and was unable to verbally communicate but he kept tapping his wrist watch. My sister Sandy, figured out that Dad was asking for the date. That was June 16, he gave us the biggest smile and in the early hours of June  17 he squeezed our hands for the last time and passed away.  Thank you for writing this.</p>
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		By: jesse kaellis		</title>
		<link>https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-3113</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jesse kaellis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2016 16:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-3110&quot;&gt;Roland&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;re right. Urban legend.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-3110">Roland</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right. Urban legend.</p>
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		By: Warren Kean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren Kean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2016 04:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My dad was a rescue diver for the dnd he was a member of the 
Dnvfd i have a pic of him doing his best too help]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dad was a rescue diver for the dnd he was a member of the<br />
Dnvfd i have a pic of him doing his best too help</p>
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		By: Roland		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2016 04:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-3109&quot;&gt;jesse kaellis&lt;/a&gt;.

No one is buried in the Hoover dam !  Over 100 people died building it but no one is buried in it.  http://www.usbr.gov/lc/hooverdam/history/essays/fatal.html
Concrete on the dam increased at a rate of 2&quot; per pour. That a little difficult to lose a body in.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-3109">jesse kaellis</a>.</p>
<p>No one is buried in the Hoover dam !  Over 100 people died building it but no one is buried in it.  <a href="http://www.usbr.gov/lc/hooverdam/history/essays/fatal.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.usbr.gov/lc/hooverdam/history/essays/fatal.html</a><br />
Concrete on the dam increased at a rate of 2&#8243; per pour. That a little difficult to lose a body in.</p>
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		By: jesse kaellis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jesse kaellis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2016 02:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, what a tragedy. I didn&#039;t even know about this. I know men died building the Lions Gate Bridge. There are men buried in the Hoover Dam. I know that too. I lived in Vegas. There is a memorial to them. About nine men.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what a tragedy. I didn&#8217;t even know about this. I know men died building the Lions Gate Bridge. There are men buried in the Hoover Dam. I know that too. I lived in Vegas. There is a memorial to them. About nine men.</p>
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		By: Erniefay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erniefay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2016 19:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-3107&quot;&gt;heather Bell-Alvarado&lt;/a&gt;.

I was 14  then and living  in the King Edward and Fraser st. area. My friends father drove us kids down for a look see.  In the early 70&#039;s I was in the General Hospital recovering from an operation and the man in the bed beside me was recovering from an ongoing back problem due to his original injury he received while working during the bridge collapse. He ended up in the water and was picked up by a rescue boat.
I now live at 17th and Grand Blvd.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-3107">heather Bell-Alvarado</a>.</p>
<p>I was 14  then and living  in the King Edward and Fraser st. area. My friends father drove us kids down for a look see.  In the early 70&#8217;s I was in the General Hospital recovering from an operation and the man in the bed beside me was recovering from an ongoing back problem due to his original injury he received while working during the bridge collapse. He ended up in the water and was picked up by a rescue boat.<br />
I now live at 17th and Grand Blvd.</p>
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		By: heather Bell-Alvarado		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[heather Bell-Alvarado]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2016 06:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was 15 at the time &#038; lived on Keith Rd &#038; the Blvd . I remember hearing siren after siren of the ambulances transporting men to the hospital on 13th , wondering what had happened .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was 15 at the time &amp; lived on Keith Rd &amp; the Blvd . I remember hearing siren after siren of the ambulances transporting men to the hospital on 13th , wondering what had happened .</p>
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		By: Janet Lawley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Janet Lawley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2016 21:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evelazarus.com/the-second-narrows-bridge-collapse/#comment-3105&quot;&gt;Eve Lazarus&lt;/a&gt;.

I remember my aunt saying that it was! 
It was quite a sight to see, with the spans in the water!]]></description>
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<p>I remember my aunt saying that it was!<br />
It was quite a sight to see, with the spans in the water!</p>
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		By: Michael Kluckner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Kluckner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2016 16:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is the legend, recorded by Matthews in the City Archives, that the problems at Second Narrows were caused by the jinx of &quot;Hwa-Hwoi-Hwoi,&quot; an islet in the middle of the channel &quot;that was the dwelling place of numerous evil spirits&quot;, which was dynamited in 1923. The old road-rail bridge built in 1925 was knocked out by freighters twice, in 1930 and 1979; Ironworkers Memorial was by far a worse disaster. We should hope those bad vibes have ended because of the number of tankers using the narrows – a situation that may only become worse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is the legend, recorded by Matthews in the City Archives, that the problems at Second Narrows were caused by the jinx of &#8220;Hwa-Hwoi-Hwoi,&#8221; an islet in the middle of the channel &#8220;that was the dwelling place of numerous evil spirits&#8221;, which was dynamited in 1923. The old road-rail bridge built in 1925 was knocked out by freighters twice, in 1930 and 1979; Ironworkers Memorial was by far a worse disaster. We should hope those bad vibes have ended because of the number of tankers using the narrows – a situation that may only become worse.</p>
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		By: Janet Lawley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Janet Lawley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2016 15:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember when the bridge collapsed!  My aunt and uncle lived on Eton Street at Renfrew and you could 
see the wreckage of the bridge from their front porch!]]></description>
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see the wreckage of the bridge from their front porch!</p>
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